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BILLY GRAHAM
 
HOUR OF POWER
Television program, "Say Yes To Possibility Thinking," #1426
May 31, 1997

An interview with Billy Graham by Robert Schuller


Dr. Schuller: "Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?"

Dr. Graham: "Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there's the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time."

"What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don't have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they're saved and they're going to be with us in heaven."

Dr. Schuller: "What I hear you saying is that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?"

Dr. Graham: "Yes it is because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they've believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."

Dr. Schuller: "This is fantastic. I'm so thrilled to hear you say that. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is."



ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
The enigma of Billy Graham is hard to unravel on the issue of salvation. Nineteen years earlier, he made a very similar statement in McCall's Magazine, 1978:
"Graham confesses that he has taken a more modest view of his own role in God's plan for man. 'I used to play God, but I can't do that any more. I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost, were going to hell—if they did not have the gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing God—through nature for instance and plenty of other ways of saying ''Yes'' to God.'

In recent years Graham has shown particular affection for Jews. Like most Christian Fundamentalist, Graham once believed Jews, too, were lost if they did not convert to Christianity. Today Graham is willing to leave that up to God. "God does the saving," Graham asserts. 'I'm told to preach Christ as the only way to salvation. But it is God who is going to do the judging, not Billy Graham.'"
McCall's Magazine,
"I Can't Play God Anymore"
by James Michael Beam
January 1978:
The concept of salvation without knowledge of Jesus Christ is a hallmark of Universalist belief, although, on this particular issue I would not say that Billy Graham is a Universalist, since he evidently does not believe in a universal salvation of all human beings. However, he leaves open the idea that salvation can be found apart from Jesus Christ by the recognition of God in some manner that he does not adequately explain, either in the McCall's article or the interview with Robert Schuller.

Apparently he is firmly convinced that belief in Jesus Christ as stated in the gospel message that he preaches, is a valid means to obtain salvation, so he does preach that message, but he may not believe that it is the only way of salvation. Although he states, "I'm told to preach Christ as the only way to salvation," he interjects a very important "but" in the equation, "But it is God who is going to do the judging, not Billy Graham." Judging by Billy Graham is not the issue, because if Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, according to the Scripture and the message that he preaches, then judgment is against that standard,
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved," Acts 4:12.
That is not Billy Graham's standard, but it is God's standard and the foundation of the gospel message itself. He appears to be troubled regarding the reality that not all people will hear the gospel message, so he attempts to find a means whereby those people have access to salvation by some means other than the gospel message that they will never hear.

In his attempt to find this other means of salvation, Billy Graham creates his own gospel by proposing a new standard in relation to the attainment of salvation, in which he claims that if people will "turn to the only light they have . . . I think they're saved and they're going to be with us in heaven." In addition, he also creates a new definition of what constitutes a Christian and a new definition regarding knowledge of Jesus Christ, "I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the body of Christ." In other words, he is denying that it is necessary to have heard the message of salvation and he is also denying that it is necessary to know about Jesus Christ. A person can be considered to be a 'Christian' and not know anything about Jesus Christ. Those are amazing claims, and place Billy Graham on the edge of the Universalist camp in which he adopts an approach that has very similar elements to Carlton Pearson's "Gospel of Inclusion" in which everyone is going to heaven whether they know it or not and whether they know Jesus Christ or not.

The problem inherent in Billy Graham's approach is that he assumes that God can give people a certain amount of knowledge, ". . . the only light they have . . ," but He is unable or unwilling to give them the full light of the gospel message. The other implication is that there are not just a few individuals who are following this diminished level of revelatory knowledge, but multitudes who are following the precepts of their own beliefs or the precepts of their religious persuasion to the best of their ability and therefore they qualify for a pass into heaven. However, going to heaven is not the message of the gospel, but reconciliation back to God is, and that can only be accomplished through a Mediator, Savior, and Substitute in relation to the sins of a person, because it is the sins of a person that separate them from God and not the elements of their performance in relation to their adopted religious beliefs. Heaven is a benefit of reconciliation to God, not the goal. Only Jesus Christ can forgive sins, and no matter how well a person performs in relation to the standards of their religious persuasion, their performance is not sufficient to wipe away sins committed against God, because it is a performance based on human works which cannot justify a person before God.

If there is another means of salvation, then the part of the gospel message which states that Jesus is the only way of salvation, that Billy Graham says he has been told to preach, consists of a direct lie to which God is a party. This is an issue that Billy Graham should have addressed publicly many years ago, but he failed to do so and continues to avoid it today.

What Billy Graham fails to understand, is that the Scripture has dealt with the issue of the fate of those who have never heard the gospel. If the person is a true seeker after the true God, then the issue is in the hands of God and He is quite able to resolve the issue in relation to a presentation of the gospel message. The Scripture speaks to the issue on three separate occasions:

1. Philip and the Ethiopian - Acts 8:26-40
2. Peter and Cornelius - Acts 10
3. Macedonia and the apostle Paul - Acts 16:9-15

In all three instances, God provided the means to hear the gospel based on the need. The provision was miraculous and it was through the instruments of human communication, Romans 10:13-17, and in one instance, Philip and the Ethiopian, at the conclusion of the encounter Philip was instantly transported from the Damascus road to his next assignment at Azotus, Acts 8:39-40. The problem with those who presume a difficulty with the fact that the gospel has not been formally presented in many cases, is that they believe that if it were presented the people would accept it, and in its absence, a loyalty to some other form of worship will suffice. At the same time, they assume that God is either remiss or unable to provide a proper message, so in order to help Him out of the difficulty they propose an additional means of salvation that they believe answers the problem that they have created themselves..


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