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#1
How nice of you to comdemn God chosen people. Are you God? why do you point the finger
when you have a beam in your eye. The Bible declares in Mathew 7:2 "For with what judgment
you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
Don't you kow that went you speak about God's people you are putting the Almighty God
through the floor with your slanddering atitude. May the Lord have mercy on you and the party
of this website.
Seek the Kingdom of God and His
righteousness.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEN YOU WONDER WHY YOUR LIFE IS THE WAY IT IS.
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WRL, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
This above message so graphically and sadly reflects the mindset of many adherents regarding
most of the false teachers discussed on this web site, so it merits a brief note to identify the problems
that it represents.
- The person spoke anonymously and I am only able to conclude that the person has no
confidence in what they have written since they wished not to be identified with the
content.
- The person did not provide a means of contact, so I cannot ask questions as to the meaning of
what they wrote. They did not identity those who they claim are "God chosen people," so I am
unable to apply their comments to a specific individual.
- They claim that I am condemning "God chosen people" but provide no means by which a
person can identify those who are claimed to be chosen. Those persons who I have discussed on
this web site, who are said to be God's chosen people or the anointed (presumed to be leaders,
teachers, pastors or evangelists), are self-proclaimed to be so, have not provided the proper
credentials confirming their position, and God has not spoken regarding their choosing.
- Since the person has not identified what the beam in my eye is considered to be, I cannot
address that issue.
- The proper application of Matthew 7:2 is noted in the verse, stating that if I use my own
standard of measure, then I will be judged by my own standard. The name of this web site is On
Doctrine, and it is the Biblical standard of measure that is to be used, not my own. The doctrines
taught in the Bible are applied against those teachers and their doctrines, as discussed on this web
site, and the results either confirm or deny the truthfulness of what they say. If that approach has
created a difficulty for the person, then so be it, but at least a case against what I have said should
have been stated. If the person had a disagreement over the doctrinal issues that offended their
sensibilities, then the subject of that disagreement should have been explained. Since there were
no issues noted, it can only be presumed that the charges against me are based on the person's
personal affection for the individuals that I discussed and therefore, by their own standard, as
applied to Matthew 7:2, they will be judged by God based on that criteria. Personally, I would
rather use the Biblical standard instead of my own particular favorite affections, since I am most
fallible and the Word of God is not.
- The person knows nothing about my life, but claims that I have questions about the content of
my life, which it is inferred is negative. The person is no prophet and a wrong approach leads to a
wrong conclusion.
- I am accused of having a "slanddering atitude" because I speak about God's people. The
assumption, by the person, is that whatever people I have spoken about actually are God's chosen
people, and there lies the difficulty. If they are referring to a person or persons who I have
discussed in regards to their doctrinal teachings in relation to the Bible and their doctrines have
been found to be false, then where is the slander on my part? Have I spoken untruthfully? Have I
deliberately created and spoken a lie? If I have done so, then the truth of the matter should have
been spoken so that I could have been corrected by certainty of fact. However, that was not done.
Those people who I have discussed, have slandered God by their false teaching. If they are "God
chosen people" then they will not teach false doctrine. If they teach false doctrine, then they are
not "God chosen people."
- Since the comments made were only emotional in nature and not based on any doctrinal
disagreement, or logical and rational consideration of what I stated, then I must presume that the
person did not even bother to read, or did not understand, the article regarding the person about
whose consideration they express such offense. That is the root and core of the difficulty
expressed in this comment to me. Apparently the person has not bothered to investigate the case,
has not expressed any evidence of having understood the doctrinal difficulties that I have
presented and has not indicated that doctrinal errors make a difference in what they believe or
who they sit under as teachers. They accept the teaching as presented, applying no discernment to
what is said and do not search the Scriptures to discover if what they are being taught is true.
Their emotional response to their teachers transcends their mental and spiritual understanding of
the doctrines being taught, and this they prefer to a right doctrinal understanding of Biblical
truth. This is the greatest difficulty of all, because refusing to apply Biblical standards to what is
being taught results in self-deception, and that places a person in a position where deception by
others cannot be avoided. As I have noted throughout this website: "No false prophet can be
successful unless he has a following, and followers are culpable when they make no attempt to
verify the truthfulness of their leader against the truth of the Scripture and, as a consequence, they
deceive themselves."
- Rather than claiming that God should have mercy on me, the person should be praying
that God will bring true understanding of the gospel message to those teachers who teach false
doctrine, deceiving many and placing their own souls, and the souls of their adherents, in great
peril.
#2
re:your hall of shame
Name
Ondoctrine.com
Position Claimed
"Perfect"
Type of Failure
Accuser of the brethren
"Judge not lest you be judged. For with what judgement you judge you will be judged; and with
what measure you use, it will be measured back to you ........Hypocrite! First remove the plank
from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Matt.7:1-2,5
BL, North Carolina, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE: See On Doctrine Answer in #1 above, point #5 and also see On
Doctrine FAQ #13
It seems that many Christians just can't read Matthew 7:1-2 and get it right..
#3
As I looked at your "wall of Shame" I couldn't help but
think of Matthew 7:1,2. I pray it isn't fullfilled in you lives. Such judgement...wow, I haven't the
words.
RCH, Tulsa, Oklahoma, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE: See On Doctrine Answer in #1 above, point #5 and also see On
Doctrine FAQ #13
It seems that many Christians just can't read Matthew 7:1-2 and get it right..
#4
I just want to say as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, I know the importance of praying for
wisdom to be released in our lives. But to have a site that points out everyone's weakness instead
of praying for them and bashing them into the "Hall of Shame"? Is
that biblical at all? As far as I am concerned your no different then you alligations on the
accussed your talking about. I will keep all of you in prayer.
God Bless!!
DM, Illinois, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE: See On Doctrine FAQ #13
#5
I have read your bashings against most everyone, and I cannot help but agree with most, but
leave Billy Graham alone. You don't have what it takes to bash him.
I say, leave him be. Sometimes there is a knowing in your heart and you can't name why or how.
You just know. I know Billy Graham needs to be left alone by watchers like you. Who appointed
you warchers anyway? I thought they were the fallen angels. Says so in the books of
Enoch.
JM, Ohio, United States
#6
I think it is so unfair for you to place the names of the various people in the so called "Hall of Shame". How do you know that these people regardless of
what they did, did not ask God for forgiveness. Who are we to judge? God is the Judge. Many of
these people were an inspiration to me. They were likely inspiration to ao many others. For
someone who had been inspired by these people, could lose their faith and suffer great spiritual
harm. I don't think it is wise for you to expose their business especially if they are now resting in
paradise waiting for Jesus to present them as His Bride. In that case what about King David. Did
he not commit "Adultery"? yet, but he repented. And the bible states that he is resting with his
fathers. You need to get rid of that site. And let God be the only Judge.
LSL, Los Angeles, California, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Jesus Christ is to be the object of faith and not some false teacher, false prophet or leader who
engages in immoral or illegal activity, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 12:2, 2 Timothy 3:14-15
Christians have no justification for obtaining any "inspiration" through the teachings of any false
teacher, false prophet or any teacher who engages in immoral or illegal conduct, 1 Timothy 1:3-
11, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Titus 1:7-16, 2:1
Those listed in the Hall of Shame go far beyond the spiritual and moral failures that they
represent, because with the exception of only one or two, they all teach false doctrine and hold to a
false salvation message. That is the disaster of their theology and why, for the most part, they are
listed there.
The entire Bible is a list of the failures of those who have taken it upon themselves to
ignore the commands and way of God. Should God have ignored and hidden their actions and not
placed their records in the Scripture? It is a dangerous spiritual course, to maintain that those who
are false should not be revealed, those who are immoral should not be uncovered and those who
engage in illegal conduct should not be exposed.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #13.
#7
Which of the five-fold ministries is "sin-sniffing?"
When did the Holy Spirit turn His ministry over to you? I praise the Lord Jesus Christ that He has
given me salvation. Funny, He has said nothing in His word about you or your followers.
When was the last time any of you poor, deceived people witnessed to a non-believer? It's
probably been a long, long time. I guess you've been too busy sniffing out other people's sin to
even realize your own (love one another, preach the gospel). If you have told anyone about Jesus
recently, did you tell them of His love for them or did you tell them they were going to hell?
Satan obviously has you so bound by religious spirits that you spout hate and call it love.
Repent, for the kingdom of God is it hand. Repent from causing strife in the Body of Christ. Stop
entertaining those demons and come back into God's kingdom of love, in Jesus' name. And I
know that the Holy Spirit will protect His ministers so that your message of hate and division will
not harm any of their ministries.
Shame on you and may God forgive you.
CG, Colorado, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
I presume that you are trying to take over what you define as my ministry of "sin-sniffing"?
Unfortunately, you find those who disclose false doctrine to be sinful and those who teach false doctrine
to be apostles and prophets, who are considered to be the anointed leaders in your five-fold ministry.
I was just wondering why the real apostle Peter wrote 2 Peter 2, and Jude wrote Jude 4-16. Also, I
wonder why the real apostle Paul wrote 1Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-16 about the qualifications for
those in leadership in the church. I guess they really didn't expect anyone to actually believe all
of that, right? And I guess they didn't really expect those in leadership to actually follow those
principles, right? They didn't really expect the church congregations to enforce those principles in
relation to their leaders, right? After all, we can just pick and choose which items in the Bible suit
our own beliefs and ignore those that make us uncomfortable, right?
#8
I briefly read through the information you have available regarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Not much truth there to
what you have to say. Please go to "http://www.mormon.org/"www.mormon.org if you would
really like to know accurate information.
Rob
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Well Rob, that was a brief reading, because you did not really read any of the 29 articles and you
did not deal with any of the issues raised in those articles. I would have been impressed if you had
considered the numerous issues raised and provided a serious rebuttal for at least one, but,
instead, you did no research, ignored the issues, called me a liar with a hit-and-run message, left no
e-mail address so I could ask questions and left no list as to the items about which I am alleged to have
lied. You can run away from the issues and hope that someone else will handle the difficulties
(like mormon.org), but the issues will always be there waiting for a reply. I must presume, like
many others, that you have no actual confidence in your beliefs, or else you would choose to correct
my claims and you would do so out of a desire to inform me of the truth of the Gospel as you believe
it to be. I have visited www.mormon.org many times.
#9
Dont you think that God is big enough to take out anyone who is not of God. If you
dont believe he is of God dont listen to him. But if we take the bible to just what it says then we
are living way below our means and because we dont take the bible for what it says we are not
able to believe God for our wants and needs. Everybody is the expert!
Please save your e-mails because I know what I believe and why I believe it.
No name given
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Apparently you accept that every teacher or preacher is teaching an accurate biblical message
because God has not taken them out? What are you thinking here? Where do you find in the
Scripture where God "takes out" the false teachers and leaves only the true teachers?
The difficulty is not a question about the power of God to accomplish what He pleases or my
personal dislike or disagreement with some particular teacher or preacher. The difficulty is that certain
preachers and teachers violate Scripture by teaching false doctrine, giving false prophesies, living
immoral lives and engage in illegal practices on a continuing, premeditated basis, for which they do not
repent and do not follow the direct teaching of Scripture regarding their qualifications. And their
followers are undiscerning by believing those teachers and preachers, because they prefer their conduct
and teaching over the Scripture. If a person follows your point of view, then the apostle Peter should
not have written 2 Peter chapter 2, Jude should not have written Jude 4-16 and Jesus Christ
should not have given a warning in Matthew 24:4-12, 23-25. You say you believe the Bible, but
you support that which is false, because you will not concern yourself with what the Scripture
says about false prophets, false teachers, immoral leaders and lawless leaders and you do not think
it to be important that they continue to deceive many by preaching a false gospel which damns a
person to hell.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #13
See: On Doctrine Writings: FALSE TEACHERS
#10
I'm LDS and reading your article full of idiocy about the LDS church's teachings
caused me to want to correct you. First we believe that men are punished for our own sins and
not for Adam's trangression. That means that we are not subject to punsihment for what Adam
did. We are accountible only for ourselves and what we do in our life. Second Jesus Christ in the
Book of Mormon is the same Christ as in the Bible. He is still the savior of the World and God's
son. We are spirit children of God. God and Jesus Christ are not the same individual. They are
two separate beings with the same purpose. Polygamy was outlawed in 1890 by the Church. The
church does not teach that American Indians and Black people are inferior to whites. The
scriptures you quoted to support your point about blacks was just stating what God did to Cain.
The testimony of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon still holds up. To their deathbeds they
would not deny what they saw. I'm talking about David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdry, and Mart
esus Christ.[sic] - (rest of message not completed)
MDG, United States, California
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
It is helpful if a person reads an entire article and then deals with the issues.
View all articles on the On Doctrine website about Mormon belief at:
MORMONS - Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day
Saints
See also: CONVERSATIONS ON MORMONISM
#11
You must be a very unhappy person. It's amazing you are so certain as to the correctness of your
ideas, yet when it comes down to it, all you know is what you believe and interpret to be so. Look in
the mirror to see a different reflection of the same hypocrisy you accuse others of having.
DE, Illinois, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Some examples of what you claim to be the case and your biblical foundation would have been
nice. Otherwise, it's just your opinion based on your personal disagreement.
#12
Don't you have something better to do like win the "lost"[?]
No name given
#13
Shame on you and this entire website for bashing good pastors and teachers, Whom spread the gospel
DAILY! I agree with the article on Carlton Pearson b/c he has strayed from the Faith. I can't believe
how someone has slandered the other good men and women of GOD. I'll pray for you b/c you're truly
deceived.
AND THIS IS JESUS SPEAKING...Mark 16:18 KJV
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
SM, Tennessee, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Why do the issues raised against Carlton Pearson conform to your idea of theological
correctness, while the issues raised against the others do not? I must assume you have not
considered the issues raised in the articles, or if you have, you do not consider that fidelity to the
biblical message is important in relation to those teachers. You first assume that those people
are teaching a correct biblical message before comparing their teaching to that found in the
Scripture. That is a backward approach and you will be deceived by your teachers in the process.
You must deal with the issues in relation to the Scripture, not in relation to your emotional
response to a criticism of your favorite teachers.
You have quoted Mark 16:18 as the words of Jesus Christ. However, like many people in
the Charismatic movement who have used Mark 16:9-20 as the foundation for their belief in
a current expression of signs and wonders, you have ignored the difficulties in the passage.
I presume you do not know what those difficulties happen to be. Verses 9-20 do not appear
in the earliest manuscripts of the gospel of Mark, and it has been known since the 4th century
A.D. that the verses are an interpolation, a later addition to the book that are not original to the author.
The ending of the book of Mark has been lost, the KJV version being one ending that is used.
Verse 18 was not written by Mark, it is not Scripture and it does not represent the words of Jesus
Christ.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #16 - Mark 16:9-20
#14
grow up. ive been all over this usa. your madd because you got 2 feet in hello. half truths are lies
my friend. hope you get saved, he must be doing something right, your so bored you gossip on him.
poor baby.
RSL, Arizona, United States
#15
Dear Pharisees Sanhedrin:
Interesting psedo-scholarship. Was Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield false prophets
when many manifestations, the same as the Toronto blessing happened. Also, it happened in Wesleys!
Maybe you have misread the scriptures and are full of arrogance and religion. Take the beam out fella
before you look for splinters. Does God love unbelief? How orthodox are you really? Does your
church look like the book of Acts or the Phairsees church service? Go figure!
JEH
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
I find it more interesting that you missed the point of the entire article and chose to legitimize the
phenomenon by a reference to the presumed occurrence of some previous phenomenon instead of
basing
your belief on the authority of the Scripture. You have based your theology on your experience and not
on
the revelation of the Scripture. You ignore the fact that Edwards, Whitefield and Wesley never made
the
non-biblical claim that phenomenon should be accepted prior to scrutiny by the Scripture, they never
made
the claim that the experience of phenomenon was a verification of having received the Holy Spirit or
that it
confirmed salvation, and they never made the appearance of phenomenon the defining characteristic of
their ministry. You did not deal, from the Scripture, with any of the 17 theological objections to the
Toronto Blessing or any of the 8 doctrinal errors stated by John Arnott in his support of the
phenomenon. When you deal with those issues, your comments will have some validity.
See the original article: www.ondoctrine.com/10toront.htm -
Toronto Blessing
#16
To All Critics of preachers who have fallen
I have noted that you take great pride in pointing out faults of others but you yourself seem to
think that a man or woman of God could never fall to be of the Lord legitimately. How
presumptious of you. Read your Bible and discover the meaning of the word grace. You seem to
think that we are disqualified from entering Heaven if we have fallen at any given time in our
Christian walk and are unable to produce the good fruit of the Spirit ever again. How stupid and
blind. You are quick to point out the sins of many but are totally oblivious to the mercy of God
and his forgiving power to restore an individual back into grace. "Where sin abounded grace
abounds more" the scripture say. Not non-existant and you're disqualified from the race.
Rubbish! It is apparent that you judge others by the Ten Commandments while you think you
have entry into Heaven because you never missed it. Well there you are wrong. It is apparent
you don't think you need to repent since you have been born again. Then y at Jesus referred to as a
white washed tomb. You apparently don't recognize restoration of the Lord and his might mercy.
Samson fell but the Lord performed another miracle for him, or have you forgotten? You are the ones
lacking spirituality and not the people you are so quick to condemn.
AB, Canada
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
I would find your reply quite amusing if it were not so sad. You have used a "straw man"
argument in your criticism of me, which means you base your criticism of me for statements that
that you created but I did not say.
-
I have never said that a man or woman who falls could not be "of the Lord legitimately." You
intimate that I have said that a person who fails or falls is not a Christian. I have never said that.
- I have never said "that we are disqualified from entering Heaven if we have fallen at any given
time in our Christian walk and are unable to produce the good fruit of the Spirit ever again." You
have called me "stupid and blind" for something I never said.
- I am not "totally oblivious to the mercy of God and his forgiving power to restore an
individual back into grace," because I have never said that God cannot do that or that He does not
do that. Restoration to fellowship with God and service are not the issues. Restoration to
leadership when sins are committed that disqualify a person from that position is the issue and the
Scripture is clear regarding the qualifications to be applied to those in leadership.
- You quote only part of Romans 5:20 by stating, "Where sin abounded grace abounds more,"
because the scripture actually says, "The Law came in so that the transgression would increase;
but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more..." Sin was revealed to be greater because of
the revelation of the Law of God. Grace applies from the smallest to the largest transgression
revealed by the Law of God. I hope you are not presuming that we are excused for sinning greater
and greater sins because God is able to forgive. You ignore the companion verses, "What shall we
say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we
who died to sin still live in it?" Romans 6:1-2
"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!"
Romans 6:15.
- If a person wishes to enter heaven by their own works, then they are judged by the 10
Commandments and as a result they fail the judgment. I never said that I have been able to keep
the 10 Commandments. I am neither sinless not do I claim to never sin.
- I have never said that I do not need to repent, simply because I have been born again. That is
your false claim made against me. See: James 5:16.
- Be very careful who you call a whitewashed tomb, when Jesus condemned unrepentant
leadership with those words, and you seemingly find no difficulty in claiming falsely that I have
said and believe certain things that I do not.
- You find fault with my criticism, which I have based on the Scripture, but you have no
difficulty with the illegal and immoral behavior and false doctrines taught by religious leaders in
violation of the Scripture.
- You say that I claim a person is "disqualified from the race" because of failure. I have never
said that. I have said that leaders are disqualified from leadership positions in the church, based on
the qualifications stated in 1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-16. If you have difficulty accepting those
qualifications, then you should direct your criticism to the apostle Paul who wrote the words
and to the Holy Spirit who revealed them to him.
- I don't think you really wish to use Samson as the example or your definition of restoration,
because his sins resulted in his imprisonment, blindness by a burning metal rod and his ultimate
death by his own hand. Do you wish your sinning leaders to be restored in that manner?
- I am pardoned by you if I have stolen money from God's people, engaged in
fornication and homosexuality, have obtained an unbiblical divorce and have taught heresy and
false doctrine, but if I claim that leaders who have done those things should be removed from their
position, then that qualifies me as a greater sinner than they?
You appear to love the words of leadership who are not qualified for the position and in the
process you are willing to dismiss the Scriptures that not only condemn them for their actions but
also establish the rules of conduct by which they are qualified or disqualified as leaders. I strongly
suggest you review what you have written, because you have strayed far away from biblical
authority.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #13
#17
This website is a disgrace.
I have Just been to a Richard Roberts cruisade in London. And We saw many miracles. My aunt was
heald of arthritis in her hand and that an be medicaly proven. He always streesses that he is not the
healer but god. It is verry easy to pick faults but you go to ORU and tell me that it is not of God. God
has built it and God is in charge of it.
President Robberts is subject to Gods will. What does your bad mouthing (lies) achive? I have spent
time with Richard Roberts and know his stand point and doctrine and most of what you have said of
him is total lies/ or is taken out of context.
When you have built something Which has bought tht many people to christ than mayby people will
listen.
AW, United Kingdom
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
It is interesting that God only heals the invisible diseases at Richard Roberts' crusades. How many
people in the wheel chair section, who were missing arms, legs and eyes as a result of diabetes or
cancer, were healed and walked away with new arms or new legs or new eyes? How many Down's
syndrome individuals had their minds and bodies transformed before your very eyes? How many
congenitally blind or deaf individual's were healed? How many children in the last stages of brain
cancer and facing the last few hours of life were healed? Did Richard Roberts go into any hospital to
bring the healing power of God to those children or to anyone else? Why are his healings only
connected to his meetings and are not accomplished in any other forum? Many people die of their
disease before a Richard Roberts miracle crusade ever comes to their city. Claims are so easy to make,
but the reality of what constitutes a healing ministry is revealed in just who is actually healed, or, rather,
who is not actually healed. In the case of children who are facing imminent death, the reality of a
healing ministry is revealed, because the failure to heal for real is 100%.
Neither Richard Roberts or his father, Oral Roberts, have ever produced a healing of the type and
magnitude that I have just listed. It is their convenient back-door escape to claim that they do not heal,
but God does, because they make Him the guilty party when the healing of all the visible diseases
NEVER happens. When Richard or Oral Roberts heal every visible disease, then I will take notice, but
until such time as that happens, their true character as healers is revealed by their failures, and their
claims to be prophets are revealed by their false prophecies and claims of words from God, when
God is made into a liar by them because of the words that He is claimed to have said.
See: On Doctrine False Prophecies Of Oral
Roberts
#18
I have been reading your section on Oral Roberts. It irks me to hear members of the body
of Christ belittle the impact of another believer's life and mission. You would do better to find more
worthwhile expenditures of your spiritual energy than criticizing a fellow member of the Body, such as
weighing you own inefficiencies in fulfilling Gods command for your lives and thereby growing in
appreciation for Christ's ability to forgive our shortcomings. Not just others'.
Sincerely,
A Concerned brother in Christ.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
your own eye?"
Matthew 7:3
JC, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Once again a Christian has turned a deaf ear and a blind eye to the direct words of God (Deuteronomy
18:20-22) in order to substitute the words of their favorite teacher. Apparently, giving false
prophecies is considered to be a speck in the eye, while revealing those false prophecies is considered
to be a log in the eye. Will Christians ever read Matthew 7 and get it right?
See: On Doctrine Oral Roberts
#19
your site has proved to be false. you say that the Bible says the days of the prophets are
OVER. NO where does it even hint at such a lie. God reveals all things through his prophets. Who are
the prophets? I don't know who all are true prophets, but if YOUR statements are FALSE and you
want someone to believe something negative about someone else...the YOU BECOME A FALSE
PROPHET. Please try to concentrate on helping others, not gossipping and condemning those who are
trying to win the lost to Jesus Christ. Jesus said if they are not against us ...they are for us. We will not
all agree to the same thing.....but it is a SIN to speak against those who belong to God..no matter what
they have done. If they are in your church, then you should read the Bible on how to handle each
situation and not proclaim to know something that you have no Spiritual Wisdom regarding.
May God forgive you and set YOU on a right path of righteousness. The time is SHORT....become a
Worker for the HARVEST........NOT a worker of iniquity.
TRB
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Well, once again a Christian will not face and deal with the issues.
1. I think 1 Corinthians 13:8 is a very strong "hint" regarding the cessation of prophecy.
2. How do you deal with your teachers who have prophesied falsely and taught false doctrine? Does it
make a difference to you? I have noted some self-proclaimed prophets who are false by the biblical
standard, so, can you tell me who some of the true prophets are today? What message do they give
that is so important and unknown that it is not found in the Scripture?
3. God also reveals things through the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 2:10, John 16:13.
4. I have never claimed to be a prophet. If I am shown to be deliberately teaching false doctrine, then I
am a false teacher, not a false prophet.
5. Speaking about people who teach false doctrine and give false prophecies is not "gossipping."
6. People who teach false doctrine and speak false prophecies in the name of God are not of God but
are of their own father the devil, John 8:44.
7. Those who speak false prophecies are false prophets and are against God, Deuteronomy
18:20-22.
8. Those who speak false doctrine are false teachers, Titus 1:9-16, 2 Peter 2, Jude, 1 Timothy 4:1-2,
2 Timothy 4:3-4, 1 Timothy 6:3-5.
9. Since most of the individuals discussed on this website have established their own churches and
ministries apart from other authority, they will be discussed on this website, and to the extent that any
teacher deviates from biblical truth, they open themselves to scrutiny by the Scripture and are open to
discussion on this website.
10. You presume your teachers are true because you wish to believe the message that they give, and in
the process you ignore the teachings given by God in the Scriptures, which you claim to believe but
you choose to ignore.
11. False prophets and false teachers are gathering their own harvest of iniquity.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #13
See: On Doctrine Writings False Teachers
#20
To whom ever wrote the article about Kenneth Copeland
and Bro. Hagan.
You are ignorance of their teaching and of the Word of God
CBS, Florida. United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
An example and a defense of your claim would be helpful, otherwise your comment has no
foundation.
See: On Doctrine article - Kenneth Copeland
See: On Doctrine CONVERSATIONS - Kenneth Copeland - What Did
He Say?
#21
You have a picture of "Jesus Christ" on your main page.
That is not Jesus Christ
Therefore -- you are a false prophet.
MM, New Mexico, United States
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Unless you know what Jesus Christ looked like, how do you know which picture on the
website is Jesus Christ?
Assuming I do have a picture on the website, which people might believe to be a example of what
someone might have created as a representation, have I made any statement as to its accuracy, actuality
or correctness of that illustration , or that the picture is a true and faithful representation of Jesus Christ?
If I have made any such statement, then you might consider me to be a false teacher, but not a false
prophet.
John Thomas is the founder of the Christadelphian religious organization, which is your chosen
affiliation. He stated the following:
"But in a few years, that is, about 1866, when the 1335 years terminate, he will arise to his
inheritance in the Kingdom of God,"
John Thomas, Anatolia, 1854, p. 97.
The resurrection noted in Daniel is at the return of Jesus Christ, prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27,
12:11-12, and
directly precedes the return of Jesus Christ, John 5:28-29. John Thomas was specifically stating that the
return of Jesus Christ was to occur "about 1866, when the 1335 years terminate..." Since Jesus Christ
did not return in 1866 or any year at or "about 1866," and has not returned in the approximately 136
years since that time, then John Thomas is revealed to be a false prophet. No explanations or excuses
can change what he wrote and claimed.
Now that is an issue about which you should be concerned.
#22
How dare you speak like that about a man of God.
You surely are asking for trouble in here because you are not fighting Richard Robert but GOD Himself
since He fights for what is HIS.
E., United States
#23
He who is without sin cast the first stone.
No name given
#24
Benny Hinn Doesn't claim to heal anyone you nut..
No name given
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Like all the other healers, it is Benny Hinn's convenient back-door escape to
claim that he does not heal but God does, when the healings do not happen.
When the real healings do not occur, Benny Hinn can tell the individual to take
their problem to God, while he basks in the adulation of the faithful who claim to have
been healed. But, if God is the healer in his ministry, why is it that God heals only
the invisible diseases? Why are the multitudes who come to his meetings in wheelchairs
never healed? Why do the people with missing eyes, arms and legs always leave the
same way they came. Apparently, those with the visible diseases are lacking in faith or
are being discriminated against by God, so they are not healed.
You miss the major issue in relation to Benny Hinn, because he claims to be a prophet
but he prophesies falsely. So, go ahead and believe your false prophet and ignore the
direct words of God in Deuteronomy 18:20-22. I am sure that the words of the "anointed"
false prophet are much more reliable and trustworthy than those of God. Right?
See: On Doctrine Article - False Prophecies of Benny Hinn
#25
I read some of your "information" on your site and find absolutely NO evidence for the
claims you have made about some of the ministries you have criticized. You should provide BIBLICAL
references to scriptures that support your criticisms as well as substantive evidence of your claims
against "ideas," activities, ministries, etc.
You state on your site under "believers authority" that all believers should submit to the authority of their
church, pastor,elders, etc. Who are yours and can you provide documentation that you are in
submission
to them; do you have approval of church leadership on the content of your web site?
I suspect, based on what I have viewed on your site, that you should retire from that "activity" and
spend
time in prayer and reading the Bible and asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you and to provide
scriptural evidence for the claims and doctrinal criticisms you are "providing" for online viewers.
You time would be thus better spent and your web site "activities" then might become valid.
Don't waste your time with a response because it won't be read.
BD, New York, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Just on the chance that you can't resist looking at this reply, I will waste 2 minutes of my time to
respond.
I take full responsibility for what I post on the website and am willing to discuss any of the issues that
are noted
in the articles, which is one reason why I provide the Contact page. However, since you provided no
examples of
where you disagree with what was written, I cannot reply in any manner to what you have
stated.
If you wish to note the specific instances where you disagree and the biblical foundation for those
disagreements,
then I will be happy to answer your concerns.
#26
IT really gives me comfort to know that the Pharisees are still alive and well. "NOT!!!" I
guess I just
don't see where it is nessasary for there to be a "doctrine police force". You are the type that I see
Jesus rebuking
throughout the New Testament. Maybe one day you will realize that you are doing the same thing
behind a different
mask as the ones you are accusing. Take a long look in the mirror. Can you truly say you are without
sin? If so,
I repent and that gives you the right to cast the first stone. If not, maybe you should throw down your
rocks and
carry this matter to your prayer closet instead of syberspace. We all have to work out our salvation
with fear and trembling.
Yes, some of those you've mentioned certainly have had and maybe still have issues, but does that give
us the right as
members of the SAME body to judge? You, as a Christian, should hope that a doctine of inclusion or
God's unconditional
love and forgivness is the case. Maybe I'm naive, but I really believe He is not willin . . .
I could say alot more but I would probably enter into the same judgment towards you as you have
towards these Ministers.
I really pray that you see the injustice you are doing. It is our responsibility to restore, not report. But
no matter what,
Mr. Hand I am...
YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST,
PH
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
The name of the website is On Doctrine and it is the biblical standard that is applied to the teachings
and conduct of those
who claim to be leaders and have established themselves as representatives of the gospel, and not a
standard that I have
created. To the extent that they deviate from the biblical doctrines and biblically mandated rules of
conduct for those in
leadership, reveals the difficulties.
I have never claimed to be sinless, do not claim to be sinless now and do not ever expect to claim
sinlessness in this life.
Everyone sins, but whether there is some sin in my life or not is not the criteria by which sin is called into
accountability in
others - conduct and teaching in relation to the authority of the Scripture is the issue, and the Scripture
calls a person to
accountability to which every Christian should pay attention, Matthew 18:15-20. If sin in a person's life
desqualifies
them from speaking to the issues, then neither you nor I have the right to call the world to accountability
before God
for their sins through the message of the gospel.
When a person teaches a false salvation message, it is a message leading to damnation, not of hope and
cheer. When
leaership engages in illegal or immoral behavior and remain in a position of leadership, they impugn the
name of
Jesus Christ
I have already written regarding these isues in the FAQs section. The aricle can be found here:
0faqs013.htm
If you have a specific point of doctrine about which I have spoken and you disagree, send me a note
and I will be glad
to discuss the issue from a biblical standpoint.
#27
YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP......GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION
WHICH IS WHAT YOUR PUTTING OUT..
#28
God is the JUDE.
the haven and the earth belong to Jusus! Just pray for one another.
The silver and the gold belong to him.
Have a great day.
No name given
#29
In response to Mr. Handss article, being no follower of Carlton Pearson, I vehemently deny that Mr.
Hand's stance on Mr. Pearson's stance and theological interpretations epitomize the elitism and
exclusion practices by "Christians" in our area. No one including Mr. Hand nor Mr. Pearson are privy
to the true nature of God, therefore, Mr. Hand has no more authority, spiritually speaking, to declare
Mr. Pearson's theological perceptions as false or self-serving.
BC, Oklahoma, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
The name of the website is On Doctrine, and it is the Biblical standard of measure that is used and not
that which I have created myself. Apparently you do not accept any standard in relation to theological
issues, much less that found in the Scripture, so, your judgments are based on your own personal elitism
by which you declare that there is no authoritative answer to theological issues. I will at least give credit
to Carlton Pearson for attempting to support his arguments from the Scripture, which we both agree is
authoritative and does reveal the nature of God as far as he has chosen to reveal Himself.
If you wish to support your position from within the framework of the Scripture, which is the foundation
of the argument, then I will be happy to discuss the issues, otherwise you are expressing an opinion
outside the authority with which Carlton Pearson and I have a disagreement and outside the parameters
with which On Doctrine is concerned.
#30
People of God who have won millions of souls over through preaching the word of Jesus, and your site
downplays thier authenticity.
Imagine if someone received Christ because of a certain miniter? You who do not do anything and have
not won as many souls over to the Lord critise and destroy the faith of new born again
believers.
Repent from your ways.
D
#31
I'm not a follower of Benny, but the first time that I went to one of his events in Oakland, it was a few
months before of 2000 elections, and He said: "God said that the next president of the u.s.a. will be
George W. Bush..." what happen with that profecy?
Thank you.
JP, California, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
George W. Bush was elected president in 2000.
I think Benny Hinn also wrote a letter to George W. Bush telling him that he would win the
election.
Was Benny Hinn a prophet? He had a 50% chance of being right whether he actually received a
prophecy or not. Thousands of people said George W. Bush was going to be president in 2000,
including George W. Bush, so, did God speak to them also? I'm not a prophet and I don't claim to
receive revelations from God, but even I said he would be president, and I was very close to being
wrong. The real question is, what happens with Benny Hinn's numerous false prophecies? It only takes
one false prophecy to make a false prophet, Deuteronomy 18:20-22.
See: On Doctrine Article - False Prophecies of Benny Hinn
#32
I thought I might mention that you short bio on Seventh-day Adventists is not correct, especially the
notation that William Miller was assocatied with the Group who would ecome Seventh-day
Adventists.
I'm not interested in trying to get you to agree with Adventism, but at least get the facts
right.
KW, Arizona, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
Welcome to On Doctrine, K—
Thank you for your visit and message on the Contact page.
After reading again the introduction to the article, I understand the confusion. I did not intend to indicate
that William Miller was either the leader or part of the specific group that would become Seventh-day
Adventists under Ellen and James White.
Ellen G. (Harmon) White and her future husband were part of the Millerite movement which formed the
foundation for their beliefs. However, after the Great Disappointment, that specific movement
essentially disbanded. It was William Miller's attempt to salvage his failed prophecy about the physical
return of Jesus Christ in 1844, that resulted in his introduction of the concept of the return of Christ in
the Heavenly Sanctuary, which revived his teachings under the Advent Church, of which he was the
leader. It was that group of which he continued to be a part.
I do not believe that he was associated with Ellen and James White in their organization, although his
beliefs and explanation regarding the return of Jesus Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary were adopted by
them. Seventh-day Adventist theology is solidly rooted in the teachings of William Miller, which
includes the foundational structure of the Investigative Judgement doctrine, although he was not the
leader of the Seventh-day Adventist organization that developed under Ellen and James
White.
I apologize for the confusion, and I have made a correction on the website.
See: On Doctrine Article - Seventh-day Adventists
#33
I think your website's use would be much better for the kingdom if you spent your time spreading the
gospel than going on a witch hunt. Of course we will not agree with what all preachers say and do but
my Bible says in Philippians 1:15 that "It is true that soem preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but
others out of good will...(18)but what does it amtter? The IMPORTNT THING IS THAT IN EVERY
WAY, WHETHER FROM FALSE MOTIVES OR TRUE, CHRIST IS PREACHED. And because
of this, I rejoice."
If it was good enough for Paul, it is good enough for me.
Also, I caution you agianst discrediting men of God. The Bible clearly warns against that.
TK, Michigan, USA
ON DOCTRINE NOTE:
I think that you will find that 90% of the On Doctrine website consists of the Writings section,
Writings On Theology, so, if you spend some time there, you will find
that
the majority of my time is spent there. The minor portion of the website, the Organizations and Hall of
Shame get the most notice, produce the majority of the comments and people spend the most time
there. I find that quite interesting.
Many teachers present excuses as to why they should not have their teachings scrutinized by the
Scripture. Some claim they are victims of a witch hunt and some say they are victims of the heresy
hunters and some claim they are the anointed and exempt. If a witch hunter actually finds a witch, then
a good thing has been done. If a heresy hunter actually finds heresy, then an even better thing has been
done. If a false prophet or a false teacher is found, then they are not the anointed. But, in the Christian
world today, the process of revealing the false is considered to be the offense, and those who are found
to be false are considered to be the offended. I find that to be very interesting also.
The teacher who presents a heretical message also speaks a message of damnation to anyone who
hears and accepts that teaching. The person who claims to be a prophet and speaks falsely is a false
prophet according to Deuteronomy 18:20-22. In the Old Testament, under the Law, the false prophet
was commanded by God to be executed, so it is a serious offense. But the prophets today who speak
falsely, do so with impunity because they know that they will not be executed, and they also know that
followers will not consider the reality of the problem as it relates to the words of God. The real
question is, who has the Greater authority, the teacher or the Scripture? I'll stay with the Scripture.
In relation to Philippians 1:15, I think you should read the verse again, because what you claim that
Paul accepts is not what he says. In some instances, the gospel is preached, according to Paul, for the
wrong reasons (envy, strife), but some from good will, but he does not include those who teach a false
salvation message, teach heretical doctrines and speak false prophecies. It matters very much what
people teach and preach and say. I will stay with Paul also, but I will agree with what he actually said
and not with what you wish him to have said.
I have noted in many replies, that those who teach false doctrine and speak false prophecies are not the
anointed, and the anointed do not teach false doctrine and speak false prophecies. There is quite a
difference between accusing someone on the basis of a standard that I have created and subjecting the
teachings, statements or conduct of a person to the standards found in the Scripture. Even the
teachings of the apostle Paul were scrutinized against the Scripture by the Bereans, Acts 17:1 0-11.
That process did not seem to be a problem for the apostle Paul, but, unlike the apostle Paul, it seems to
create great difficulties for many teachers and preachers today. I find that interesting also.
If you disagree with any of the specific comparisons that I have made, regarding certain individuals or
ororganizations, you may send a defense or rebuttal along with the biblical foundation and I will be
happy to discuss your concerns.
See: On Doctrine FAQ #13
See: On Doctrine: Writings On Theology - False Teachers and False
Prohets
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